She is an Ego State Therapy North America (ESTNA) and Ego State Therapy International (ESTI) Certified EST Therapist, as well as an EST Assistant. ESTNA is a community of mental health professionals who are passionate about Ego State Therapy and who share a mission of increasing public awareness of Ego State Therapy (EST), making EST education more accessible, and helping the public find trained EST clinicians via the ESTNA Directory. Certification requires 48 hours of basic training in Ego State Therapy, 60 additional hours of advanced training in Ego State Therapy, a total of 64 hours of basic, intermediate, and advanced training in clinical hypnosis, 20 hours of supervised consultation with approved EST trainers, and 4 hours of 1:1 experiential sessions with approved EST trainers. (ESTNA, ESTI)